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		<title>By: Kethan</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2005/10/10/king-richards-no-faire/comment-page-1/#comment-121265</link>
		<dc:creator>Kethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for conrtbituing. It&#039;s helped me understand the issues.</description>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2005/10/10/king-richards-no-faire/comment-page-2/#comment-116372</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just called KRF (508-866-5391) and asked whether we could leave and come back. &quot;No, there is no readmittance,&quot; was the response I received. That&#039;s a direct quote.

This is consistent with our experience; consistent with many other people&#039;s experiences described in comments here; consistent with the signage posted at the gate when we went; and consistent with the messaging that used to be on their web site but they&#039;re removed.

I cannot explain why you think there is hand-stamping available when even the KRF itself admits explicitly that there is not and when many other people have had experiences which contradict yours.

Perhaps I am not the person who is a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just called KRF (508-866-5391) and asked whether we could leave and come back. &#8220;No, there is no readmittance,&#8221; was the response I received. That&#8217;s a direct quote.</p>
<p>This is consistent with our experience; consistent with many other people&#8217;s experiences described in comments here; consistent with the signage posted at the gate when we went; and consistent with the messaging that used to be on their web site but they&#8217;re removed.</p>
<p>I cannot explain why you think there is hand-stamping available when even the KRF itself admits explicitly that there is not and when many other people have had experiences which contradict yours.</p>
<p>Perhaps I am not the person who is a liar.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This person is a liar. You are able to leave the park and return later. We go twice a year and you only need to get your hand stamped when leaving to return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This person is a liar. You are able to leave the park and return later. We go twice a year and you only need to get your hand stamped when leaving to return.</p>
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		<title>By: Better faires &#124; Shereesvoice</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2005/10/10/king-richards-no-faire/comment-page-2/#comment-112799</link>
		<dc:creator>Better faires &#124; Shereesvoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] King Richard&#8217;s No Faire! &#171; Something better to doNo help from management at some of these faires. Money is all that matters. &#8230; I also agree with your assessment that the Connecticut Faire is a far better choice. I performed there in its early years and still know many of the vendors and performers who work that show. It is a faire that has heart. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] King Richard&#8217;s No Faire! &#171; Something better to doNo help from management at some of these faires. Money is all that matters. &#8230; I also agree with your assessment that the Connecticut Faire is a far better choice. I performed there in its early years and still know many of the vendors and performers who work that show. It is a faire that has heart. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2005/10/10/king-richards-no-faire/comment-page-2/#comment-106605</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have spent the last three hrs online looking for discounted coupons wit no luck...for the price their askn i hope they dont make it hard to either enjoy myself or to accomodate me if for ne reason i need to go to me car....i might as well give up on the coupons huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have spent the last three hrs online looking for discounted coupons wit no luck&#8230;for the price their askn i hope they dont make it hard to either enjoy myself or to accomodate me if for ne reason i need to go to me car&#8230;.i might as well give up on the coupons huh?</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2005/10/10/king-richards-no-faire/comment-page-2/#comment-104686</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;there is such a wide variety of food, to say nothing is kosher is ridiculous.&lt;/em&gt;

You apparently don&#039;t understand what it means for food to be Kosher.

&lt;em&gt;I’ve often left to my car for one reason or another and been allowed back in without a problem. I simply explain at the gate why I wish to do so.&lt;/em&gt;

Really?  That&#039;s quite remarkable.  We were told told quite firmly by several different gate staffers that we would not be allowed back in if we left, that this was the policy of the Faire and that it was non-negotiable.  Several other commenters on my blog have had exactly the same experience, including a woman who was denied permission to return to her car to change medical dressings on her leg!  I would be delighted to hear that they have changed their policy, but I can find no evidence of this on their Web site.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090910/PUB04/909100383&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An article published by southcosttoday.com&lt;/a&gt; dated September 10, 2009, asserts, &quot;...no readmittance is allowed once patrons head back through the gates to their cars.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;It is NOT discriminatory,&lt;/em&gt;

Well, yes, if they refuse to let people bring in their own food and refuse to let them leave and re-enter, then it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; discriminatory.  The former is still the Faire&#039;s explicit policy as posted on their Web site, and there&#039;s nothing other than the word of one anonymous commenter on the Internet, which is contradicted by published reports, to suggest that they&#039;ve changed the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>there is such a wide variety of food, to say nothing is kosher is ridiculous.</em></p>
<p>You apparently don&#8217;t understand what it means for food to be Kosher.</p>
<p><em>I’ve often left to my car for one reason or another and been allowed back in without a problem. I simply explain at the gate why I wish to do so.</em></p>
<p>Really?  That&#8217;s quite remarkable.  We were told told quite firmly by several different gate staffers that we would not be allowed back in if we left, that this was the policy of the Faire and that it was non-negotiable.  Several other commenters on my blog have had exactly the same experience, including a woman who was denied permission to return to her car to change medical dressings on her leg!  I would be delighted to hear that they have changed their policy, but I can find no evidence of this on their Web site.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090910/PUB04/909100383">An article published by southcosttoday.com</a> dated September 10, 2009, asserts, &#8220;&#8230;no readmittance is allowed once patrons head back through the gates to their cars.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>It is NOT discriminatory,</em></p>
<p>Well, yes, if they refuse to let people bring in their own food and refuse to let them leave and re-enter, then it <em>is</em> discriminatory.  The former is still the Faire&#8217;s explicit policy as posted on their Web site, and there&#8217;s nothing other than the word of one anonymous commenter on the Internet, which is contradicted by published reports, to suggest that they&#8217;ve changed the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What nonsense.  KRF is a great time, and there is such a wide variety of food, to say nothing is kosher is ridiculous.  As for the allegations of a no readmittance policy, I&#039;ve often left to my car for one reason or another and been allowed back in without a problem.  I simply explain at the gate why I wish to do so.  The Faire is a bit pricey, no question about that, but it is also a great time.  It is NOT discriminatory, and no, I have nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What nonsense.  KRF is a great time, and there is such a wide variety of food, to say nothing is kosher is ridiculous.  As for the allegations of a no readmittance policy, I&#8217;ve often left to my car for one reason or another and been allowed back in without a problem.  I simply explain at the gate why I wish to do so.  The Faire is a bit pricey, no question about that, but it is also a great time.  It is NOT discriminatory, and no, I have nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
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		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You brought your own food, you can eat it at your car during your meal break and then re enter the faire.&lt;/em&gt;

Yet another intrepid commenter, I see, who didn&#039;t bother to read what has been written before.

King Richard&#039;s Faire has a no re-entry policy, a fact which is mentioned briefly at the end of my article, which you obviously did not read very carefully.  We asked to be allowed to leave the Faire to eat our lunch and then re-enter, and we were denied that as well, a fact which I will add to my article (it&#039;s mentioned already in the comments, but clearly not everyone takes the trouble to read the comments before commenting themselves).

&lt;em&gt;do you think this only happens to people who keep kosher?&lt;/em&gt;

No, I think it happens to people of all sorts, and I think it&#039;s wrong for all of them.

If you&#039;re going to have a no-outside-food policy, then you have to let people leave and re-enter the faire.  If you&#039;re not going to let people leave and re-enter the faire, then you have to let people bring in their own food.  It is completely, utterly unacceptable to tell people that they can&#039;t bring in their own food and then tell them that they can&#039;t leave to eat.

Keeping Kosher is not the only special dietary need for which this is relevant.  People with allergies, people with medically necessary diets, people with diabetes, etc. often cannot trust food prepared by strangers.  The KRF policy is discriminatory and offensive.

&lt;em&gt;Those vendors make their money by selling their crap and if the public was allowed to bring in an alternative to crap, those vendors would not be in business.&lt;/em&gt;

Bullocks.  The faires that allow outside food have just as many food vendors.  Do you think they&#039;re all losing money?

&lt;em&gt;Whenever I go to a carnival or fair, I eat before I go, and if I’m going to be there all day, I pack a meal-leave the grounds to eat- then return to the grounds. Are you too lazy to walk the 100 yards to your car?&lt;/em&gt;

Are you too lazy to read other people&#039;s comments before bloviating?

&lt;em&gt;If you are eating kosher, as you claim, you shouled have plenty of energy to deal with this MINOR inconveniece.&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s hard to imagine why you think that keeping kosher has anything whatsoever to do with having &quot;plenty of energy.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;OR- do you just want to whine about something?&lt;/em&gt;

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You brought your own food, you can eat it at your car during your meal break and then re enter the faire.</em></p>
<p>Yet another intrepid commenter, I see, who didn&#8217;t bother to read what has been written before.</p>
<p>King Richard&#8217;s Faire has a no re-entry policy, a fact which is mentioned briefly at the end of my article, which you obviously did not read very carefully.  We asked to be allowed to leave the Faire to eat our lunch and then re-enter, and we were denied that as well, a fact which I will add to my article (it&#8217;s mentioned already in the comments, but clearly not everyone takes the trouble to read the comments before commenting themselves).</p>
<p><em>do you think this only happens to people who keep kosher?</em></p>
<p>No, I think it happens to people of all sorts, and I think it&#8217;s wrong for all of them.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to have a no-outside-food policy, then you have to let people leave and re-enter the faire.  If you&#8217;re not going to let people leave and re-enter the faire, then you have to let people bring in their own food.  It is completely, utterly unacceptable to tell people that they can&#8217;t bring in their own food and then tell them that they can&#8217;t leave to eat.</p>
<p>Keeping Kosher is not the only special dietary need for which this is relevant.  People with allergies, people with medically necessary diets, people with diabetes, etc. often cannot trust food prepared by strangers.  The KRF policy is discriminatory and offensive.</p>
<p><em>Those vendors make their money by selling their crap and if the public was allowed to bring in an alternative to crap, those vendors would not be in business.</em></p>
<p>Bullocks.  The faires that allow outside food have just as many food vendors.  Do you think they&#8217;re all losing money?</p>
<p><em>Whenever I go to a carnival or fair, I eat before I go, and if I’m going to be there all day, I pack a meal-leave the grounds to eat- then return to the grounds. Are you too lazy to walk the 100 yards to your car?</em></p>
<p>Are you too lazy to read other people&#8217;s comments before bloviating?</p>
<p><em>If you are eating kosher, as you claim, you shouled have plenty of energy to deal with this MINOR inconveniece.</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine why you think that keeping kosher has anything whatsoever to do with having &#8220;plenty of energy.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>OR- do you just want to whine about something?</em></p>
<p>Pot.  Kettle.  Black.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear!

What is your problem? You brought your own food, you can eat it at your car during your meal break and then re enter the faire. 

do you think this only happens to people who keep kosher? how about people who just don&#039;t want to cram fried crap into their bodies? It&#039;s a FAIRE! the food is always going to be crap. Those vendors make their money by selling their crap and if the public was allowed to bring in an alternative to crap, those vendors would not be in business.

Whenever I go to a carnival or fair, I eat before I go, and if I&#039;m going to be there all day, I pack a meal-leave the grounds to eat- then return to the grounds.  Are you too lazy to walk the 100 yards to your car? If you are eating kosher, as you claim, you shouled have plenty of energy to deal with this MINOR inconveniece. OR- do you just want to whine about something? People like you ruin the fun of playing in public. You&#039;re like the kid who begs to go to the beach, but can&#039;t stand the feel of sand.

Stay home, watch TV and get fat. Sounds like that is more your style anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear!</p>
<p>What is your problem? You brought your own food, you can eat it at your car during your meal break and then re enter the faire. </p>
<p>do you think this only happens to people who keep kosher? how about people who just don&#8217;t want to cram fried crap into their bodies? It&#8217;s a FAIRE! the food is always going to be crap. Those vendors make their money by selling their crap and if the public was allowed to bring in an alternative to crap, those vendors would not be in business.</p>
<p>Whenever I go to a carnival or fair, I eat before I go, and if I&#8217;m going to be there all day, I pack a meal-leave the grounds to eat- then return to the grounds.  Are you too lazy to walk the 100 yards to your car? If you are eating kosher, as you claim, you shouled have plenty of energy to deal with this MINOR inconveniece. OR- do you just want to whine about something? People like you ruin the fun of playing in public. You&#8217;re like the kid who begs to go to the beach, but can&#8217;t stand the feel of sand.</p>
<p>Stay home, watch TV and get fat. Sounds like that is more your style anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
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		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;(An email message I received recently, with identifying information removed.)&lt;/em&gt;

You do not know me, but recently whilst searching the internet for information about King Richard&#039;s Faire, I came across your online post about the particular situation you had the misfortune of going through. I&#039;ve had only been to the Faire for the first time last summer, but I must agree, you argue a number of very valid points despite the fact that I am not Jewish. I also believe that despite the fact that I had an enjoyable time, it did cost entirely too much.  One can easily spend upwards of $60 on just themselves which the entrance fee and purchasing food. I consider this amount to be entirely too much considering less can be spent at other numerous and more enjoyable events.

Though I have never been discriminated against due to my religion, I can only imagine the embarrassment you and your family had to undergo just because you are clearly dedicated to your religion. I find this fact very admirable and believe in instances such as yours, rules should be bent in order to maintain a professional and customer friendly image. Simply allowing paying customers to eat lunch in your parking lot doesn&#039;t exactly spell &quot;returning customer&quot; to me.

In short, I appreciate the fact that people like you aren&#039;t afraid to be David in what seems to be a world becoming more and more overrun with Goliaths. I know I will be telling my friends about this story the next time we speak of attending the Faire and propose that we attend the Connecticut Faire as a cheaper and less greed ridden alternative to the King Richard&#039;s Faire. I know that discrimination still exists today, but it&#039;s hard to believe it would be to the degree as to not allow paying customers to bring food into a public place.  I hope that one day the people behind King Richard&#039;s Faire sees the error of their ways or new management takes over and allows this change in policy (although I wouldn&#039;t blame if for not going back even if they did). I wish your family the best in your future endeavors and hey, maybe I&#039;ll see you at the Connecticut Faire this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>(An email message I received recently, with identifying information removed.)</em></p>
<p>You do not know me, but recently whilst searching the internet for information about King Richard&#8217;s Faire, I came across your online post about the particular situation you had the misfortune of going through. I&#8217;ve had only been to the Faire for the first time last summer, but I must agree, you argue a number of very valid points despite the fact that I am not Jewish. I also believe that despite the fact that I had an enjoyable time, it did cost entirely too much.  One can easily spend upwards of $60 on just themselves which the entrance fee and purchasing food. I consider this amount to be entirely too much considering less can be spent at other numerous and more enjoyable events.</p>
<p>Though I have never been discriminated against due to my religion, I can only imagine the embarrassment you and your family had to undergo just because you are clearly dedicated to your religion. I find this fact very admirable and believe in instances such as yours, rules should be bent in order to maintain a professional and customer friendly image. Simply allowing paying customers to eat lunch in your parking lot doesn&#8217;t exactly spell &#8220;returning customer&#8221; to me.</p>
<p>In short, I appreciate the fact that people like you aren&#8217;t afraid to be David in what seems to be a world becoming more and more overrun with Goliaths. I know I will be telling my friends about this story the next time we speak of attending the Faire and propose that we attend the Connecticut Faire as a cheaper and less greed ridden alternative to the King Richard&#8217;s Faire. I know that discrimination still exists today, but it&#8217;s hard to believe it would be to the degree as to not allow paying customers to bring food into a public place.  I hope that one day the people behind King Richard&#8217;s Faire sees the error of their ways or new management takes over and allows this change in policy (although I wouldn&#8217;t blame if for not going back even if they did). I wish your family the best in your future endeavors and hey, maybe I&#8217;ll see you at the Connecticut Faire this year.</p>
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