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		<title>By: zoey</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-102209</link>
		<dc:creator>zoey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smxlong, 

let&#039;s all be cool. Most teenagers don&#039;t know how to be responsible and don&#039;t usually think when they have other stuff to worry about.
obviously, you must have, or are a kid and know how that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smxlong, </p>
<p>let&#8217;s all be cool. Most teenagers don&#8217;t know how to be responsible and don&#8217;t usually think when they have other stuff to worry about.<br />
obviously, you must have, or are a kid and know how that is.</p>
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		<title>By: smxlong</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-63225</link>
		<dc:creator>smxlong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoey... Your friend did not &quot;need to make curfew.&quot; If he had been late, some kids might have got in trouble with their parents or the cops. What he chose to do didn&#039;t get people in trouble -- it killed them.

A person old enough to operate a vehicle should also be old enough to understand that the purpose of curfew is for safety -- and speeding is definitely not safe. It was a dumb decision which tragically ended four people&#039;s lives.

Now, instead of a ticket, he has a nice casket to lie in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoey&#8230; Your friend did not &#8220;need to make curfew.&#8221; If he had been late, some kids might have got in trouble with their parents or the cops. What he chose to do didn&#8217;t get people in trouble &#8212; it killed them.</p>
<p>A person old enough to operate a vehicle should also be old enough to understand that the purpose of curfew is for safety &#8212; and speeding is definitely not safe. It was a dumb decision which tragically ended four people&#8217;s lives.</p>
<p>Now, instead of a ticket, he has a nice casket to lie in.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoey</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-43737</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, i see many people have diffrent opinions on the matter of the car crash that killed a friend of mine. 
He was only going so fast so he could get everyone home on time.
He wasnt under the influence, his friends wern&#039;t pressuring him.
He just needed to make curfew. Many people have diffrent veiws of what happened or stories. But, that&#039;s the real deal. 
And what happened was tragic, he lost control and smashed into a tree.
Killing himself and three friends one, lauren, left living but in critical condition. we need to teach future generations how to deal with peer pressure, and things like making curfew. Like would you rather go over the speed limit or miss curfew and just get a ticket. Ethier way you lose soemthing, but maybe it wont be thier lives.
There&#039;s a new generation comming into these new car seats wanting to have the experience, but we need to show them what will/might happen if they dont follow strictly to the law. I, myself is getting my permit in a few years and i dont want to be on the road if there is maniacs driving reckless.
the driver of the car on 4-20 was reckless he just wanted to be responsible, but he didnt think that it might have taken his life.

thank you,
Zoey Zukowski, 14.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, i see many people have diffrent opinions on the matter of the car crash that killed a friend of mine.<br />
He was only going so fast so he could get everyone home on time.<br />
He wasnt under the influence, his friends wern&#8217;t pressuring him.<br />
He just needed to make curfew. Many people have diffrent veiws of what happened or stories. But, that&#8217;s the real deal.<br />
And what happened was tragic, he lost control and smashed into a tree.<br />
Killing himself and three friends one, lauren, left living but in critical condition. we need to teach future generations how to deal with peer pressure, and things like making curfew. Like would you rather go over the speed limit or miss curfew and just get a ticket. Ethier way you lose soemthing, but maybe it wont be thier lives.<br />
There&#8217;s a new generation comming into these new car seats wanting to have the experience, but we need to show them what will/might happen if they dont follow strictly to the law. I, myself is getting my permit in a few years and i dont want to be on the road if there is maniacs driving reckless.<br />
the driver of the car on 4-20 was reckless he just wanted to be responsible, but he didnt think that it might have taken his life.</p>
<p>thank you,<br />
Zoey Zukowski, 14.</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-22617</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just sent this letter to the Herald:

(This letter is not for publication.)

I want to thank you for printing my letter, and I want to thank you even more for the collection of articles you ran on Sunday, April 30 on this topic.  As I&#039;m sure you know, newspapers and other media outlets have a great deal of influence over public opinion, and I truly think that this issue is one where it&#039;s incredibly important for you to use your &quot;bully pulpit&quot; to raise awareness.

The articles you can on Sunday were superb, but I urge you not to let the matter rest there.  I would like to see both news articles and editorials in future editions of the Herald addressing the quality of driving on our roads by both teens and adults and what we, as a society, can do to improve the situation and thus reduce the number of unnecessary highway fatalities.  For example:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How many people die every day / week / month / year in traffic accidents compared to other causes of death?

&lt;li&gt;Why is enforcement of driving rules and regulations so poor?

&lt;li&gt;Why is the road test which must be passed by Massachusetts drivers so absurdly easy compared to the tests in other states?

&lt;li&gt;Are there any states which require drivers to periodically retake the road test and eye test?  If not, Massachusetts could be at the forefront of the driver safety movement by legislating such a requirement.  If such a requirement were legislated across the board, rather than just on senior citizens as has been previously proposed, then the AARP lobby wouldn’t be able to cry discrimination.

&lt;li&gt;Complaints that increased enforcement efforts, a harder driving test, periodic retesting, etc. would be too expensive, should be met by a comparison of the anticipated cost to how much is spent every year to combat diseases, hazards, etc. that cause far fewer deaths than traffic accidents.  For example, how would the cost of driver safety programs compare to how much we spend each year on “homeland security”?

&lt;/ul&gt;

I’m sure there are other areas that could be explored as well.

I urge you to keep this issue in the news, and thus to keep people thinking about it, by publishing a series of articles over an extended period of time, and to support legislation and other governmental efforts to increase driver safety.

Thank you,

Jonathan Kamens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just sent this letter to the Herald:</p>
<p>(This letter is not for publication.)</p>
<p>I want to thank you for printing my letter, and I want to thank you even more for the collection of articles you ran on Sunday, April 30 on this topic.  As I&#8217;m sure you know, newspapers and other media outlets have a great deal of influence over public opinion, and I truly think that this issue is one where it&#8217;s incredibly important for you to use your &#8220;bully pulpit&#8221; to raise awareness.</p>
<p>The articles you can on Sunday were superb, but I urge you not to let the matter rest there.  I would like to see both news articles and editorials in future editions of the Herald addressing the quality of driving on our roads by both teens and adults and what we, as a society, can do to improve the situation and thus reduce the number of unnecessary highway fatalities.  For example:</p>
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<li>How many people die every day / week / month / year in traffic accidents compared to other causes of death?
</li>
<li>Why is enforcement of driving rules and regulations so poor?
</li>
<li>Why is the road test which must be passed by Massachusetts drivers so absurdly easy compared to the tests in other states?
</li>
<li>Are there any states which require drivers to periodically retake the road test and eye test?  If not, Massachusetts could be at the forefront of the driver safety movement by legislating such a requirement.  If such a requirement were legislated across the board, rather than just on senior citizens as has been previously proposed, then the AARP lobby wouldn’t be able to cry discrimination.
</li>
<li>Complaints that increased enforcement efforts, a harder driving test, periodic retesting, etc. would be too expensive, should be met by a comparison of the anticipated cost to how much is spent every year to combat diseases, hazards, etc. that cause far fewer deaths than traffic accidents.  For example, how would the cost of driver safety programs compare to how much we spend each year on “homeland security”?
</li>
</ul>
<p>I’m sure there are other areas that could be explored as well.</p>
<p>I urge you to keep this issue in the news, and thus to keep people thinking about it, by publishing a series of articles over an extended period of time, and to support legislation and other governmental efforts to increase driver safety.</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Jonathan Kamens</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-22111</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Herald&lt;/em&gt; front page:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/257627_frontpage.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;`SPEED KILLS&#039; headline&quot;/&gt;

Lots of material in a two-page spread:
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Margery Eagan column: &quot;For loved ones, pain never ends&quot;
&lt;li&gt;&quot;Deadly Crashes Are Wrecking Young Lives&quot;
&lt;li&gt;&quot;Teens who have been there offer sage advice to peers&quot;
&lt;li&gt;&quot;Parents taking action to prevent tragedy&quot;
&lt;/ul&gt;

It&#039;s wonderful to see this.  It could just be a flash in the pan, but there&#039;s always hope that this could finally be the time when some sort of critical mass is achieved and there are long-term changes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s <em>Herald</em> front page:</p>
<p><img src="http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/257627_frontpage.jpg" alt="`SPEED KILLS' headline"/></p>
<p>Lots of material in a two-page spread:</p>
<ul>
<li>Margery Eagan column: &#8220;For loved ones, pain never ends&#8221;
</li>
<li>&#8220;Deadly Crashes Are Wrecking Young Lives&#8221;
</li>
<li>&#8220;Teens who have been there offer sage advice to peers&#8221;
</li>
<li>&#8220;Parents taking action to prevent tragedy&#8221;
</li>
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<p>It&#8217;s wonderful to see this.  It could just be a flash in the pan, but there&#8217;s always hope that this could finally be the time when some sort of critical mass is achieved and there are long-term changes.</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-19640</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Herald gave my letter top billing today in the grey column in the center of the letters page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Herald gave my letter top billing today in the grey column in the center of the letters page.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-18781</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was actually thinking of the jay-walking example. I&#039;ve watched people waiting to cross to see if they look at traffic. Inevitably the majority of people fit into two groups -- the people who look at the traffic and never look up at the light, and the people who watch the light and never check the traffic. 

Well, not quite inevitably, if there&#039;s a lot of traffic everyone watches the lights and then of course some of them check the traffic and some don&#039;t. And if there&#039;s a lot of pedestrian traffic people who want to obey the lights end up getting swept in the crush of jay-walkers. 

But given a scenario where people have a choice you don&#039;t find people patiently waiting for the walk signal when there&#039;s no traffic and then double checking that there&#039;s no traffic before walking.

And in fact if you look at the scary statistics the police put out to discourage jay-walking and divide by population you find east-coast cities where jay-walking is a way of life have no worse rates of car-pedestrian accidents than west-coast cities like seattle where i&#039;m led to believe jay-walking is much less common.

It&#039;s harder to tell why someone is driving the speed they&#039;re driving of course. Unless you follow them for a while and see they&#039;re driving precisely the speed limit or the conditions are particularly poor and they continue to drive the speed limits when that&#039;s too fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually thinking of the jay-walking example. I&#8217;ve watched people waiting to cross to see if they look at traffic. Inevitably the majority of people fit into two groups &#8212; the people who look at the traffic and never look up at the light, and the people who watch the light and never check the traffic. </p>
<p>Well, not quite inevitably, if there&#8217;s a lot of traffic everyone watches the lights and then of course some of them check the traffic and some don&#8217;t. And if there&#8217;s a lot of pedestrian traffic people who want to obey the lights end up getting swept in the crush of jay-walkers. </p>
<p>But given a scenario where people have a choice you don&#8217;t find people patiently waiting for the walk signal when there&#8217;s no traffic and then double checking that there&#8217;s no traffic before walking.</p>
<p>And in fact if you look at the scary statistics the police put out to discourage jay-walking and divide by population you find east-coast cities where jay-walking is a way of life have no worse rates of car-pedestrian accidents than west-coast cities like seattle where i&#8217;m led to believe jay-walking is much less common.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s harder to tell why someone is driving the speed they&#8217;re driving of course. Unless you follow them for a while and see they&#8217;re driving precisely the speed limit or the conditions are particularly poor and they continue to drive the speed limits when that&#8217;s too fast.</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-18731</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Except that&#039;s not how human nature works.&lt;/em&gt;

Really, and you know this how, exactly?  It&#039;s easy to make all-encompassing pronouncements about human nature.  It&#039;s somewhat more difficult to actually prove them.

&lt;em&gt;But in practice if you watch you&#039;ll see people will universally fall into one or the other category.&lt;/em&gt;

Since I both obey speed limits and judge safe speed, trailing distance, etc. based on current conditions, I disprove your statement about where people &quot;universally fall.&quot;  I&#039;ll again point out that it&#039;s much easier to make such pronouncements than to prove them.  And I&#039;ll again point out that it&#039;s awfully convenient to make pronouncements which prove the validity of your admitted practice of disobeying the law when you find it convenient to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Except that&#8217;s not how human nature works.</em></p>
<p>Really, and you know this how, exactly?  It&#8217;s easy to make all-encompassing pronouncements about human nature.  It&#8217;s somewhat more difficult to actually prove them.</p>
<p><em>But in practice if you watch you&#8217;ll see people will universally fall into one or the other category.</em></p>
<p>Since I both obey speed limits and judge safe speed, trailing distance, etc. based on current conditions, I disprove your statement about where people &#8220;universally fall.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll again point out that it&#8217;s much easier to make such pronouncements than to prove them.  And I&#8217;ll again point out that it&#8217;s awfully convenient to make pronouncements which prove the validity of your admitted practice of disobeying the law when you find it convenient to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-18727</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People should be taught both to obey posted speed limits and to judge safe speeds.&lt;/i&gt;

Except that&#039;s not how human nature works. After all that&#039;s what we have today in theory. But in practice if you watch you&#039;ll see people will universally fall into one or the other category.

It&#039;s not hard to see why that&#039;s the case. If you teach someone to judge somethiing for themselves they won&#039;t have much respect for arbitrary rules that they can see are inapplicable. Conversely if you teach someone to respect the rules they won&#039;t expect to have to think for themselves too.

So in practice you must choose one or the other. I claim it&#039;s better to teach people to look both ways before crossing the street than to teach them to obey a WALK signal. Likewise I claim it&#039;s better to teach people about braking distances, reaction times, and sight-lines than it is to post a sign and expect everyone to follow it blindly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People should be taught both to obey posted speed limits and to judge safe speeds.</i></p>
<p>Except that&#8217;s not how human nature works. After all that&#8217;s what we have today in theory. But in practice if you watch you&#8217;ll see people will universally fall into one or the other category.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to see why that&#8217;s the case. If you teach someone to judge somethiing for themselves they won&#8217;t have much respect for arbitrary rules that they can see are inapplicable. Conversely if you teach someone to respect the rules they won&#8217;t expect to have to think for themselves too.</p>
<p>So in practice you must choose one or the other. I claim it&#8217;s better to teach people to look both ways before crossing the street than to teach them to obey a WALK signal. Likewise I claim it&#8217;s better to teach people about braking distances, reaction times, and sight-lines than it is to post a sign and expect everyone to follow it blindly.</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2007/04/22/speed-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-18723</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify my comment, &quot;people who drive slower have fewer accidents.&quot;

There are those who argue that when one person drives more slowly than everyone else on a highway, that driver can actually cause accidents.  I&#039;ve yet to see any statistics to back this up, and I certainly don&#039;t believe that a safe driver going the speed limit in the right lane on a highway is truly a danger to himself or others.

Aside from that, what&#039;s much more interesting is when &lt;em&gt;most people&lt;/em&gt; drive more slowly.  That&#039;s when the increased safety of the lower speed is most noticeable.  That goes back to the point I was making in my letter to the editor, which is that the only real solution to this problem is to change the societal norm that speeding is OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify my comment, &#8220;people who drive slower have fewer accidents.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are those who argue that when one person drives more slowly than everyone else on a highway, that driver can actually cause accidents.  I&#8217;ve yet to see any statistics to back this up, and I certainly don&#8217;t believe that a safe driver going the speed limit in the right lane on a highway is truly a danger to himself or others.</p>
<p>Aside from that, what&#8217;s much more interesting is when <em>most people</em> drive more slowly.  That&#8217;s when the increased safety of the lower speed is most noticeable.  That goes back to the point I was making in my letter to the editor, which is that the only real solution to this problem is to change the societal norm that speeding is OK.</p>
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