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	<title>Comments on: More on the Magnetic Laundry Scam</title>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2009/01/04/more-on-the-magnetic-laundry-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-122029</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the hallmarks of scam artists is that they are always friendly, personable, and accommodating in person. Deeply ingrained in most people&#039;s psyches is the subconscious belief that people who &quot;seem nice&quot; are more trustworthy. Scam artists capitalize on this belief to make it easier to pull the wool over people&#039;s eyes.

Another important characteristic of scam artists is, of course, their ability to lie convincingly.

In short, whether Jim Zimmerman seems like a &quot;stand up guy&quot; has no relevance whatsoever to the question of whether the Magnetic Laundry System is a scam. It is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the hallmarks of scam artists is that they are always friendly, personable, and accommodating in person. Deeply ingrained in most people&#8217;s psyches is the subconscious belief that people who &#8220;seem nice&#8221; are more trustworthy. Scam artists capitalize on this belief to make it easier to pull the wool over people&#8217;s eyes.</p>
<p>Another important characteristic of scam artists is, of course, their ability to lie convincingly.</p>
<p>In short, whether Jim Zimmerman seems like a &#8220;stand up guy&#8221; has no relevance whatsoever to the question of whether the Magnetic Laundry System is a scam. It is.</p>
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		<title>By: ADL</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2009/01/04/more-on-the-magnetic-laundry-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-122028</link>
		<dc:creator>ADL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Zimmerman,  of Life Miracle at lifenatural.com did contact me personally with detaills needed to return  Laundry Magnets.  So   Life Miracle seems for now to be good on at least there guarantee.    Got to admit, after 6 calls and as many emails, I was getting a little scared.   Jim seems to be a stand up guy though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Zimmerman,  of Life Miracle at lifenatural.com did contact me personally with detaills needed to return  Laundry Magnets.  So   Life Miracle seems for now to be good on at least there guarantee.    Got to admit, after 6 calls and as many emails, I was getting a little scared.   Jim seems to be a stand up guy though.</p>
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		<title>By: ADL</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2009/01/04/more-on-the-magnetic-laundry-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-122000</link>
		<dc:creator>ADL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to attack the magnetic laundry system, I just want to return the product.  I have been trying to find out how to properly do that.  I called  2 times 3 weeks ago and just recently left 4 telephone   messages and no one has returned my calls in 2 days.

I need to know how to properly return this?  There is a P.O. address on the  package it came in, but always like to make contact with the company before sending it in the mail.   Many times there is a different address in which to return it, often a RMA #.

Please instruct anyone who knows, it is about 60 days, guarantee time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to attack the magnetic laundry system, I just want to return the product.  I have been trying to find out how to properly do that.  I called  2 times 3 weeks ago and just recently left 4 telephone   messages and no one has returned my calls in 2 days.</p>
<p>I need to know how to properly return this?  There is a P.O. address on the  package it came in, but always like to make contact with the company before sending it in the mail.   Many times there is a different address in which to return it, often a RMA #.</p>
<p>Please instruct anyone who knows, it is about 60 days, guarantee time.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2009/01/04/more-on-the-magnetic-laundry-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-121883</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your comments. I also very much appreciate you taking the time to perform some experiments. The only thing negative I could say is that I do think you are overstating your feelings in some cases and letting that sorta get in the way of your research (which is pretty awesome). But all that being said, it IS your site and you can do that. 

As a reader of other sites, I have a responsibility to research what I read on your site on my own. There are cases where someone has some weird motive (it could be totally unrelated to the product). 

Anyways... People will agree and disagree. Some will believe things that are not true, and some will never believe something that is true. Some will try to prove things just like you are doing. However, actually having a controlled test is very meaningful and I applaud your efforts. 

I think you are making more a difference to the environment than the magnets ever will. I actually think I will use less laundry detergent next time I do my laundry. I appreciate that advice a lot. I also enjoy your blog. It was good reading.

Apparently, magnets also cure headaches, they improve gas mileage, I am trying to think of some others. They probably clean or water. I have heard stuff like you can get power from them (to charge stuff, maybe actually be true). Anyways... I love magnets... but without doing real tests that have real results... it is all a bunch of ... as George Bush would say... fuzzy Math (I never voted for him, by the way).

= )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your comments. I also very much appreciate you taking the time to perform some experiments. The only thing negative I could say is that I do think you are overstating your feelings in some cases and letting that sorta get in the way of your research (which is pretty awesome). But all that being said, it IS your site and you can do that. </p>
<p>As a reader of other sites, I have a responsibility to research what I read on your site on my own. There are cases where someone has some weird motive (it could be totally unrelated to the product). </p>
<p>Anyways&#8230; People will agree and disagree. Some will believe things that are not true, and some will never believe something that is true. Some will try to prove things just like you are doing. However, actually having a controlled test is very meaningful and I applaud your efforts. </p>
<p>I think you are making more a difference to the environment than the magnets ever will. I actually think I will use less laundry detergent next time I do my laundry. I appreciate that advice a lot. I also enjoy your blog. It was good reading.</p>
<p>Apparently, magnets also cure headaches, they improve gas mileage, I am trying to think of some others. They probably clean or water. I have heard stuff like you can get power from them (to charge stuff, maybe actually be true). Anyways&#8230; I love magnets&#8230; but without doing real tests that have real results&#8230; it is all a bunch of &#8230; as George Bush would say&#8230; fuzzy Math (I never voted for him, by the way).</p>
<p>= )</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2009/01/04/more-on-the-magnetic-laundry-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-103385</link>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I dont &lt;/em&gt;[sic]&lt;em&gt; know why I’m taking the time to respond, have you used the magnets?&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t know why I&#039;m taking the time to respond, but have you actually read my blog postings?  I ask this, because if you had you would have seen that I did, in fact, &quot;use the magnets,&quot; and I did, in fact, prove through my experiments that clothes washed with the magnets come out no cleaner than clothes washed in plain water.

&lt;em&gt;I have for a year now and they work great!! I work in a dirty sweaty enviroment &lt;/em&gt;[sic]&lt;em&gt; and my close &lt;/em&gt;[sic]&lt;em&gt; come out clean as a whistle..&lt;/em&gt;

Have you tried washing your clothes &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; the magnets, in nothing but water?

If not, then how can you possibly know that the magnets have anything to do with how clean your clothes get?

Also, do you use any of the stain pre-treaters that the manufacturer recommends for tough stains?  Has it occurred to you that those treatments are in fact &lt;em&gt;concentrated detergent,&lt;/em&gt; and that it&#039;s not the magnets that are getting your clothes clean, but rather the detergent?

Does it occur to you to wonder why there is no research supporting the claim that these magnets do anything to clean clothing?  Do you wonder why the manufacturer of the magnets asked an independent laboratory to compare washing clothes with the magnets with washing clothes in plain water, and then &lt;em&gt;didn&#039;t publish the results of the latter half of the experiment?&lt;/em&gt;

Does it occur to you to wonder why, if the fact that magnets can clean clothes has been known for years, there isn&#039;t a single washing machine manufacturer anywhere in the world selling a unit which has built-in magnets to get the clothes clean?  Do you think there is a vast global conspiracy funded by the laundry detergent manufacturers?

&lt;em&gt;You don’t know what your &lt;/em&gt;[sic]&lt;em&gt; talking about….&lt;/em&gt;

Right, and you&#039;re obviously an authority on laundry technology.

Or is it more likely that you&#039;re too dimwitted to understand the proof that I and others have proven that these magnets are a scam? (The four spelling errors in four sentences, one of them a run-on, would seem to support that theory.)

Or that your ego is too fragile to admit that you were duped, so to protect your self-image you have to delude yourself into thinking that the magnets aren&#039;t a scam?

Or that you&#039;re an anonymous shill for a company that manufactures or sells these magnets?

Consider this: Everything I post on the Internet, including this blog, I post under my own name.

You, on the other hand, are completely anonymous.

Which of us is it more reasonable to believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I dont </em>[sic]<em> know why I’m taking the time to respond, have you used the magnets?</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why I&#8217;m taking the time to respond, but have you actually read my blog postings?  I ask this, because if you had you would have seen that I did, in fact, &#8220;use the magnets,&#8221; and I did, in fact, prove through my experiments that clothes washed with the magnets come out no cleaner than clothes washed in plain water.</p>
<p><em>I have for a year now and they work great!! I work in a dirty sweaty enviroment </em>[sic]<em> and my close </em>[sic]<em> come out clean as a whistle..</em></p>
<p>Have you tried washing your clothes <em>without</em> the magnets, in nothing but water?</p>
<p>If not, then how can you possibly know that the magnets have anything to do with how clean your clothes get?</p>
<p>Also, do you use any of the stain pre-treaters that the manufacturer recommends for tough stains?  Has it occurred to you that those treatments are in fact <em>concentrated detergent,</em> and that it&#8217;s not the magnets that are getting your clothes clean, but rather the detergent?</p>
<p>Does it occur to you to wonder why there is no research supporting the claim that these magnets do anything to clean clothing?  Do you wonder why the manufacturer of the magnets asked an independent laboratory to compare washing clothes with the magnets with washing clothes in plain water, and then <em>didn&#8217;t publish the results of the latter half of the experiment?</em></p>
<p>Does it occur to you to wonder why, if the fact that magnets can clean clothes has been known for years, there isn&#8217;t a single washing machine manufacturer anywhere in the world selling a unit which has built-in magnets to get the clothes clean?  Do you think there is a vast global conspiracy funded by the laundry detergent manufacturers?</p>
<p><em>You don’t know what your </em>[sic]<em> talking about….</em></p>
<p>Right, and you&#8217;re obviously an authority on laundry technology.</p>
<p>Or is it more likely that you&#8217;re too dimwitted to understand the proof that I and others have proven that these magnets are a scam? (The four spelling errors in four sentences, one of them a run-on, would seem to support that theory.)</p>
<p>Or that your ego is too fragile to admit that you were duped, so to protect your self-image you have to delude yourself into thinking that the magnets aren&#8217;t a scam?</p>
<p>Or that you&#8217;re an anonymous shill for a company that manufactures or sells these magnets?</p>
<p>Consider this: Everything I post on the Internet, including this blog, I post under my own name.</p>
<p>You, on the other hand, are completely anonymous.</p>
<p>Which of us is it more reasonable to believe?</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2009/01/04/more-on-the-magnetic-laundry-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-103384</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know why I&#039;m taking the time to respond, have you used the magnets? I have for a year now and they work great!! I work in a dirty sweaty enviroment and my close come out clean as a whistle.. You don&#039;t know what your talking about....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know why I&#8217;m taking the time to respond, have you used the magnets? I have for a year now and they work great!! I work in a dirty sweaty enviroment and my close come out clean as a whistle.. You don&#8217;t know what your talking about&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Magnetic Laundry Scam « Something better to do</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnetic Laundry Scam « Something better to do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Magnetic laundry scams at JonStarbuck.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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