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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2010/03/04/st-elizabeths-evades-lies-and-libels-others-rather-than-simply-apologizing/comment-page-1/#comment-112370</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>positive, meaning the staff were more attentive and kinder. please excuse me multiple posts...I&#039;m trying to be objective here and just running in circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>positive, meaning the staff were more attentive and kinder. please excuse me multiple posts&#8230;I&#8217;m trying to be objective here and just running in circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say this because of the experience I had with rude, inattentive staff I encountered while in the ER for an emergency I had related to a chronic medical condition. To the credit of St. E&#039;s, my stay for treatment was, for the most part, a very positive one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say this because of the experience I had with rude, inattentive staff I encountered while in the ER for an emergency I had related to a chronic medical condition. To the credit of St. E&#8217;s, my stay for treatment was, for the most part, a very positive one.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>St. E&#039;s is a NIGHTMARE. Avoid avoid avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St. E&#8217;s is a NIGHTMARE. Avoid avoid avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as dysfunctional as my agency is, serious problems are addressed and efforts are made to correct mistakes or negligence. JCAHO is always combing through records and making sure that we are providing appropriate care, including following up on patient complaints. I assumed that JCAHO or another accrediting agency would be all over this incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as dysfunctional as my agency is, serious problems are addressed and efforts are made to correct mistakes or negligence. JCAHO is always combing through records and making sure that we are providing appropriate care, including following up on patient complaints. I assumed that JCAHO or another accrediting agency would be all over this incident.</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
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		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, come on, Rebecca, as a social worker you work in this world, so surely you know the answer to that question. :-/ Some thoughts:

Doctors don&#039;t like to rat each other out.  They have oversized egos and God complexes.  Most regulatory agencies are overworked and understaffed, and therefore most complaints are not fully investigated.  Most people who encounter problems at a hospital or for that matter anywhere else don&#039;t bother to complain about it or don&#039;t have the time and energy to follow through on their complaints.  The organizations which accredit hospitals are funded by the hospitals; they have a vested interest in downplaying complaints against accredited hospitals for that reason and because it makes them look bad when a hospital they accredited is proven to have done something stupid (FYI, the organization which accredits St. Elizabeth&#039;s told me, when acknowledging my complaint, that they would investigate but would be unable to inform me of the results of their investigation).  Sweeping changes are expensive.  Dysfunctional corporate cultures are as hard to change at hospitals as they are anywhere else.  Damages are capped by law to $20,000 for many malpractice lawsuits against non-profit hospitals such as St. Elizabeth&#039;s.

I suppose it&#039;s also true that not all of St. Elizabeth&#039;s is so awful.  My wife had three kids in their maternity ward, and they were fine.

Do you think the Catholic Church has made sweeping changes to how it does things in response to the Catholic priest sexual abuse scandals that have been uncovered recently all over the world, e.g., in Boston of course and more recently in Italy?  Somehow I doubt it.  Keep in mind that St. Elizabeth&#039;s is part of a Catholic hospital network.  It is not at all surprising that the culture of non-accountability which pervades the Catholic church would be prevalent at a Catholic hospital.  And just as the Catholic church is extremely powerful and manage to hide the sexual abuse for many many years, so too St. Elizabeth&#039;s has power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on, Rebecca, as a social worker you work in this world, so surely you know the answer to that question. :-/ Some thoughts:</p>
<p>Doctors don&#8217;t like to rat each other out.  They have oversized egos and God complexes.  Most regulatory agencies are overworked and understaffed, and therefore most complaints are not fully investigated.  Most people who encounter problems at a hospital or for that matter anywhere else don&#8217;t bother to complain about it or don&#8217;t have the time and energy to follow through on their complaints.  The organizations which accredit hospitals are funded by the hospitals; they have a vested interest in downplaying complaints against accredited hospitals for that reason and because it makes them look bad when a hospital they accredited is proven to have done something stupid (FYI, the organization which accredits St. Elizabeth&#8217;s told me, when acknowledging my complaint, that they would investigate but would be unable to inform me of the results of their investigation).  Sweeping changes are expensive.  Dysfunctional corporate cultures are as hard to change at hospitals as they are anywhere else.  Damages are capped by law to $20,000 for many malpractice lawsuits against non-profit hospitals such as St. Elizabeth&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s also true that not all of St. Elizabeth&#8217;s is so awful.  My wife had three kids in their maternity ward, and they were fine.</p>
<p>Do you think the Catholic Church has made sweeping changes to how it does things in response to the Catholic priest sexual abuse scandals that have been uncovered recently all over the world, e.g., in Boston of course and more recently in Italy?  Somehow I doubt it.  Keep in mind that St. Elizabeth&#8217;s is part of a Catholic hospital network.  It is not at all surprising that the culture of non-accountability which pervades the Catholic church would be prevalent at a Catholic hospital.  And just as the Catholic church is extremely powerful and manage to hide the sexual abuse for many many years, so too St. Elizabeth&#8217;s has power.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so why hasn&#039;t the Mass Medical Board, amongst the other medicl agencies in MA, done *anything* about it? If the problem is so well known, why not make sweeping changes to correct the issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so why hasn&#8217;t the Mass Medical Board, amongst the other medicl agencies in MA, done *anything* about it? If the problem is so well known, why not make sweeping changes to correct the issues?</p>
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		<title>By: jik</title>
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		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I went to the St. Elizabeth&#039;s ER with appendicitis, the surgeon who did my appendectomy didn&#039;t even mention to me that there was a laparoscopic method for the surgery.  Why?  Because he wanted to do the surgery himself, and he was an old doctor who wasn&#039;t trained or experienced in laparoscopic surgery.  I ended up having a traditional, large-incision appendectomy, with a much longer recovery time and complications (painful adhesions) that would have been avoided with laparoscopic surgery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I went to the St. Elizabeth&#8217;s ER with appendicitis, the surgeon who did my appendectomy didn&#8217;t even mention to me that there was a laparoscopic method for the surgery.  Why?  Because he wanted to do the surgery himself, and he was an old doctor who wasn&#8217;t trained or experienced in laparoscopic surgery.  I ended up having a traditional, large-incision appendectomy, with a much longer recovery time and complications (painful adhesions) that would have been avoided with laparoscopic surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every trip to the ER that we&#039;ve needed has been to Children&#039;s Hospital. Even on Shabbat, when I had to drive him to Longwood. I have trusted them with Ben&#039;s life on more than one ocassion, and have no problem driving there. Plus, they have valet si tehnically you don&#039; have to turn off your car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every trip to the ER that we&#8217;ve needed has been to Children&#8217;s Hospital. Even on Shabbat, when I had to drive him to Longwood. I have trusted them with Ben&#8217;s life on more than one ocassion, and have no problem driving there. Plus, they have valet si tehnically you don&#8217; have to turn off your car.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add my voice to this: my pediatrician has rebuked me twice for (twice) taking a child to their ER --the first time it was a true emergency and they were the nearest hospital (and it was quicker to run, child-in-arms, than to get into a car), while the second time it should have been a standard milk-run urgent-but-not-critical pediatric case. In neither case, but most damningly in the latter, they could not provide appropriate care. In the second case I was so horrified by the attending&#039;s inability to recommend a course of treatment in the ER and so doubtful of his prescription that I independently sanity-checked both before agreeing to them. During that same ER visit for my youngest, we were placed next to a hallway-bedded psychiatric patient who was cursing at me and trying to converse with my child (after my request for a move or security went unheeded I palmed my pepper spray: that&#039;s right, I had a weapon in hand in an ER because I feared for my own safety). I may note that the intake doctor had a guard with him while he attempted to interview her --also right in the hallway, so much for privacy for her! Atop that, the staff attempted to use a small adult bp cuff on his arm (he was 18 mos.), did not know how to zero a double-arm child scale, and initially wrote down his weight as lbs. when the scale was in kg. When I called her on it she left and returned with a pound scale, and *repeated her error in failing to zero it*. OMFG.

You have also heard before my own story of going there with what was initially diagnosed as a pulmonary embolism but turned out to be pneumonia. No guesses what a (needless) night in the RICU cost! or what continued anticoagulant would have done for me as I continued to have bacteria dancing in my lungs! In that case the ER doctor had left the decision as to which radiological technique to use up to me --I was pregnant, he was afraid to decide on anything involving radiation. I probably would have made a different decision regarding method (since I was being forced to make one, despite several hours of being mostly unable to breathe and 140 bpm tachycardia) *had he given me correct information regarding the three possible methods.* 

To be fair, the one *other* time I went to their ER --to remove a large, deep splinter from my oldest&#039;s hand (it was beyond my ability, and the pediatrician, when I described it over the phone, said it was beyond his too) they dealt with the problem quickly, efficiently, and what appeared to be correctly. Anything worse than a splinter, though --or requiring differential diagnosis-- it&#039;s Longwood Ave. for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add my voice to this: my pediatrician has rebuked me twice for (twice) taking a child to their ER &#8211;the first time it was a true emergency and they were the nearest hospital (and it was quicker to run, child-in-arms, than to get into a car), while the second time it should have been a standard milk-run urgent-but-not-critical pediatric case. In neither case, but most damningly in the latter, they could not provide appropriate care. In the second case I was so horrified by the attending&#8217;s inability to recommend a course of treatment in the ER and so doubtful of his prescription that I independently sanity-checked both before agreeing to them. During that same ER visit for my youngest, we were placed next to a hallway-bedded psychiatric patient who was cursing at me and trying to converse with my child (after my request for a move or security went unheeded I palmed my pepper spray: that&#8217;s right, I had a weapon in hand in an ER because I feared for my own safety). I may note that the intake doctor had a guard with him while he attempted to interview her &#8211;also right in the hallway, so much for privacy for her! Atop that, the staff attempted to use a small adult bp cuff on his arm (he was 18 mos.), did not know how to zero a double-arm child scale, and initially wrote down his weight as lbs. when the scale was in kg. When I called her on it she left and returned with a pound scale, and *repeated her error in failing to zero it*. OMFG.</p>
<p>You have also heard before my own story of going there with what was initially diagnosed as a pulmonary embolism but turned out to be pneumonia. No guesses what a (needless) night in the RICU cost! or what continued anticoagulant would have done for me as I continued to have bacteria dancing in my lungs! In that case the ER doctor had left the decision as to which radiological technique to use up to me &#8211;I was pregnant, he was afraid to decide on anything involving radiation. I probably would have made a different decision regarding method (since I was being forced to make one, despite several hours of being mostly unable to breathe and 140 bpm tachycardia) *had he given me correct information regarding the three possible methods.* </p>
<p>To be fair, the one *other* time I went to their ER &#8211;to remove a large, deep splinter from my oldest&#8217;s hand (it was beyond my ability, and the pediatrician, when I described it over the phone, said it was beyond his too) they dealt with the problem quickly, efficiently, and what appeared to be correctly. Anything worse than a splinter, though &#8211;or requiring differential diagnosis&#8211; it&#8217;s Longwood Ave. for me!</p>
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