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	<title>Something better to do &#187; High Tech Ventures</title>
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		<title>High Tech Ventures blows off the BBB</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2010/05/20/high-tech-ventures-blows-off-the-bbb/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 01:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I commented following my recent posting about slimy recruiter High Tech Ventures, I filed a complaint with the BBB about them a month ago. According to the BBB, &#8220;We have written to the business two times on your behalf and we have failed to receive a response to your complaint.&#8221; Please, folks, do not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I commented following my <a href="/2010/04/19/high-tech-ventures-strikes-again/">recent posting</a> about slimy recruiter High Tech Ventures, I filed a complaint with the BBB about them a month ago.</p>
<p>According to the BBB, &#8220;We have written to the business two times on your  behalf and we have failed to receive a response to your complaint.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, folks, <em>do not do business with this recruiter.</em></p>
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		<title>High Tech Ventures strikes again</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few minutes ago, I got the following email message from Ed at High Tech Ventures, a recruiting firm I have trashed on my blog in the past: Subject: Company Name specs I placed the cto.  He’s a great guy and asked me to help with a couple engineering roles. I’ve attached the job specs. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few minutes ago, I got the following email message from Ed at High Tech Ventures, a recruiting firm <a href="/2009/10/28/oxford-international-high-tech-ventures-and-other-annoying-cold-calling-recruiting-firms/">I have trashed on my blog in the past</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Subject: <em>Company Name</em> specs</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I placed the cto.  He’s a great guy and asked me to help with a couple engineering roles. I’ve attached the job specs.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Company Name</em> has been know as <em>Old Company Name 1</em> and  <em>Old Company Name 2</em>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">would you recommend <em>Current Coworker Name</em>?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">any other suggestions?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Ed</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I wrote back:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I will reply to you now as I replied to you the last time you contacted me, last November:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">I have asked your company multiple times not to contact me.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">I have even decried your failure to leave me alone <a href="/2009/10/28/oxford-international-high-tech-ventures-and-other-annoying-cold-calling-recruiting-firms/">on my blog</a>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">One of my friends commented on my blog that at one point his wife told your company that he had died just to get you to stop calling him.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Get the message?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Jonathan Kamens</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">As for <em>Current Coworker Name</em>, he is currently employed where I work, and he has not chosen to mention to me that he is looking for a new position, so whether he is or isn&#8217;t, dropping his name to me was entirely inappropriate.  The fact that you felt comfortable doing that is yet another reason why people should avoid your company like the plague.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Please do not contact me again.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Jonathan Kamens</p>
<p>Idiots.</p>
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		<title>Oxford International, High Tech Ventures, and other annoying, cold-calling recruiting firms</title>
		<link>http://blog.kamens.us/2009/10/28/oxford-international-high-tech-ventures-and-other-annoying-cold-calling-recruiting-firms/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you work in the high-tech field like I do, and especially if you&#8217;re in management, you probably get regular cold calls from recruiters looking to either (a) hire someone into your company, (b) convince you to let them find you a new job, or (c) sweet-talk you into giving them the names and phone [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you work in the high-tech field like I do, and especially if you&#8217;re in management, you probably get regular cold calls from recruiters looking to either (a) hire someone into your company, (b) convince you to let them find you a new job, or (c) sweet-talk you into giving them the names and phone numbers of other people at your company for them to call as their next victims.</p>
<p>If I were looking for a job myself, I wouldn&#8217;t use any of these people.  I decided years ago that the way you find a good recruiter to work with is through word of mouth and networking, not through cold calls from pushy, often dishonest people who don&#8217;t actually care about you or your career.</p>
<p>If I were looking to hire someone to work at my company, I wouldn&#8217;t use any of these people, both for the reasons given above, and because we have in-house recruiters and it is <em>very</em> difficult to convince senior management that a job is sufficiently difficult to fill that external recruiting expertise is needed.  Even if I were going to use an external recruiter to fill a position, it would be handled by my HR department, not by me.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I get several of these calls per week.  It&#8217;s gotten so bad that I don&#8217;t answer my desk phone when the caller ID doesn&#8217;t show a number I recognize.  If it&#8217;s someone I actually need to speak with, they&#8217;ll leave a voicemail message.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s annoying recruiter incident was sufficiently egregious that I felt it appropriate to post about it on my blog to warn others off from the perpetrator, Oxford International.</p>
<p>The Oxford International recruiter called not once, not twice, but three times, and the third call was after I actually spoke to him and told him to leave me alone.</p>
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<li>Recruiter calls.  Caller ID shows no number, so I let it go to voicemail.  No message is left.</li>
<li>Recruiter calls again.  Two calls in a row is almost always a sign that someone I know really needs to reach me, so I answer the phone.  As they so often do, the recruiter introduces himself vaguely using a tone of voice which suggests that we&#8217;re old friends.  When I ascertain that he is a recruiter, I inform him that I&#8217;m not currently hiring and that if I were he would have to talk to my HR department, thank him for calling, and hang up, all before he can waste any more of my time by saying anything.</li>
<li>Recruiter calls a third time &#8212; I do not answer &#8212; and again leaves no message.</li>
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<p>Interestingly, I am not the only person who <a href="http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/20.84.html#subj16" target="_blank">has written on-line about bad experiences with Oxford International</a>.</p>
<p>The other recruiting firm mentioned in the title of this blog entry, High Tech Ventures, found me a job in 1997.  However, I was so bothered by the way they worked that, after thanking them for finding me the job, I told them to please never contact me again.  What bothered me about them was:</p>
<ol>
<li>It was clear that were more interested in earning a commission than in placing me in a position that was a good fit for both me and the company that hired me.</li>
<li>A couple years after they place you in a position, they call you up and try to convince you that it&#8217;ll be good for your career for you to leave.  Yes, that&#8217;s right, they actively try to steal employees they&#8217;ve placed from the companies with which they&#8217;ve placed them.</li>
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<p>As I said, I asked High Tech Ventures back in 1997 never to contact me again.  Nevertheless, I continue to get phone calls and email messages from them, both at home and at work, on a regular basis.  I have repeatedly asked them to stop contacting me, and it does no good.</p>
<p>If you do find it necessary to work with recruiting firms, I suggest you take a pass on Oxford International and High Tech Ventures.</p>
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